Crime Weekly News: 2004 Missing Girl Remains Found
Hey everyone, welcome back to Crime Weekly News. I’m Dereck Lasser and I’m Stephanie Harlo, and we’re going to get right into the episode. Before we do, just a quick reminder.
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All right, we are going to get right into this week’s case. Some of you may have heard about it before, some of you may have not. It is a little bit of an older case, about 20 years old.
But I am always fascinated by these types of cases because what seems like it is a hard hill to climb, with the newest science and technology, we end up getting some results. Let me get into the backstory of it, and then we can discuss it.
Sixteen-year-old Autumn McClure was last seen on May 10th, 2004, and was reported missing by her grandmother in Ormond Beach, Florida. In late February of 2024, remains were discovered at a mobile home park, and DNA extracted from the bones identified the remains as belonging to Autumn. Obviously on one hand, very sad.
On the other hand, something that may not have been solvable 30 years ago, 40 years ago. Now we are able to use science, DNA technology, IGG, investigative genetic genealogy, to take a body that presumably has been there for almost 20 years and extract DNA from those bones and get some answers to start.
I will let Stephanie go into the backstory of this, and then we can talk about where we go from here. Obviously the first step is just finding Autumn. Now we have to figure out what happened to her.
There is actually an interesting sort of DNA twist to this that I will talk about at the end. It is more than just new DNA advancements. There is this rapid DNA thing that they can use on site instead of having to send it off to the lab, which makes all of the results come back much faster.
That is actually great. I might as well talk about it now because I already am. Basically in this case, the sheriff’s department used something called ANDE Rapid DNA technology.
They did this instead of sending the DNA samples of the bones of the remains to the State Crime Lab. This significantly helped to reduce the time of making an identification.
In 2016, the company ANDE became the first rapid DNA system to receive regulatory approval from the FBI. In 2017, the Rapid DNA Act of 2017 was passed unanimously by the House and Senate. This law actually allows rapid DNA testing of arrestees at police stations.
This obviously solves many problems. It allows for a major step forward in reducing sexual assault and other violent crimes. We talk about this all of the time, how there is a backlog of rape kits and DNA samples that need to be tested sitting in police stations and crime labs across the country, how these things take forever.
In this case, if you arrest somebody and you suspect that this person may have been the perpetrator of violent crime or sexual assault, you can DNA test them at that point when they are arrested. It will basically pop up if this person’s DNA was found in any other unsolved crimes. That is great because even if you took their DNA when they got arrested and had to send it off to the crime lab, they could be released back out on the streets and be a complete ghost by the time you get those results back.
Here you are getting them back immediately.
I do not know this for sure, but I am positive that this is the case. Once they use the rapid DNA system to test and get a positive result, they are most likely going to send physical samples over to the lab to confirm but then hold that person until that confirmation comes in. It is kind of like new technology probably will not be able to be used in court but is enough to hold this person while they get the crime lab or the State Crime Lab to verify the DNA match.
I think we are getting to a point where there is a system called AFIS. Do you know what AFIS is? That is the system where the DNA goes in right when they are arrested?
No, that is CODIS. So quick lesson. AFIS is basically a fingerprint identification system.
The A stands for Automated. Essentially when you are arrested, we are able to scan your fingerprints. It is not even ink anymore.
We take you over to a machine, there is a little piece of glass. If you have never been in this position before, great, congrats. But you roll your finger over the glass, it immediately takes your fingerprints.
We do all ten fingers and your palms. Then we can submit that to AFIS. Relatively quick, maybe within a half hour, 45 minutes, sometimes quicker, we will get results kicked back to us if you are lying about who you say you are or if you have something in the system where we need to be aware of it.
Whether that is you are wanted in a crime somewhere else or whatever it might be, we will get that whole report back.
This sounds very similar to AFIS in that sense, where we are getting to a point where we can do fingerprints like that. You also mentioned CODIS. Obviously we are uploading DNA to that system where you may be a potential offender in a crime, unidentified.
Then we bring someone in, we enter them into CODIS. If it is a match, they will come back with a hit. This is similar to that, but it seems more efficient, more rapid, which is more in line with AFIS.
AFIS is almost instantaneous. If we are arresting you, by the time we finish processing you, the fingerprints, the reports writing, your court documents for your release if you are getting released, I can go back. We had to go back into the AFIS system and see if you had any results kicked back yet from the system.
Another way we use that is if we are trying to confirm who you say you are. If you say, “Yeah, my name is Derek Lasser, I was arrested in 2016, 2017 for XYZ,” when we get your AFIS report back, it will come back with your criminal record associated with those fingerprints and it should match up. That is another way we can confirm it.
I have said it before, I am saying it again right now. We are in a situation where there is this really interesting time in True Crime where we are kind of daily making advancements. Before you know it, DNA is going to be like a fingerprint, not only in its ability to identify someone but also in how quickly it can be done.
The window of getting away with a crime is getting smaller and smaller. That is obviously great news for us, bad news for the bad guys.
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We are going to talk about the case of Autumn McClure. It is funny because it is weird to see these cases that I have read about before but have not actually researched deeply into. It is odd to see them solved and then have them just pop up on your newsfeed.
I read an article about Autumn McClure’s disappearance a few years ago. It was on a Medium blog. They do some true crime stuff on there and they have a lot of good writers on there.
I remember reading about her case and thinking, it is the boyfriend. But it turns out in this situation, it really probably was not.
Autumn was reportedly last seen by her boyfriend. He initially told the police that he had dropped her off at Volusia Mall. Then in 2006, two years after she went missing, the police spoke to Autumn’s boyfriend again.
At that time he changed his story. He admitted that he had dropped his girlfriend Autumn at the Seabreeze Bridge and then he saw Autumn get into a car with a woman named Jessica Freeman.
Police would discover that Autumn, who had been arguing with her grandmother, had moved in with Jessica Freeman and her boyfriend Brian Donley at the Shady Oaks Mobile Home Park. They had basically said, okay, we know you are having problems with your grandma, you can stay with us for a few days. When law enforcement spoke to Jessica Freeman, she denied having anything to do with it.
But she also said that she, Autumn, and her boyfriend Brian Donley, who was 32 years old at the time, were having a sexual relationship. All three of them were having a sexual relationship. Brian is 32, Autumn is 16 at this point.
Gross.
Then in 2021, police received a tip. It was anonymous at first, but we have just recently discovered it was a relative of Brian Donley’s. This tip gave law enforcement information about Jessica Freeman and Brian Donley potentially murdering a teenage girl and burying her body.
In 2022, Brian Donley passed away. Jessica Freeman was questioned by police again. She told them she was only willing to cooperate if she was granted immunity.
When that deal was made and the paperwork was signed, Jessica told police what had happened. Or at least what she claimed happened, because the other person in this story, both other people in this story, are dead. I will just remind you of that.
Jessica claimed that she walked in on her boyfriend Brian strangling Autumn in the bathroom of their trailer. Jessica said she ran over, she tried to stop him, but by the time she got in between the two of them, Autumn was dead. Apparently at that point, Jessica left the trailer.
But then she returned two weeks later. When she came back, she noticed that Autumn’s belongings, her things that she had brought to the trailer, were gone. The plywood that had been on the bedroom floor was also gone.
Jessica Freeman claims when she questioned her boyfriend Brian Donley about Autumn, he threatened to 𝓀𝒾𝓁𝓁 her. Obviously the police are going to ask Jessica Freeman why did you not go to the police. You were not with Brian this whole time, this whole decade.
Why did you never go to the police? Autumn said she was scared of him. She still thought he would 𝓀𝒾𝓁𝓁 her.
She was afraid of getting in trouble because of her sexual relationship with a 16-year-old girl. That is a valid concern, I suppose. That is probably why you should not have a relationship with a 16-year-old girl and your grown ass 30-something boyfriend.
But that is what Jessica Freeman claimed.
She also said that before Brian’s death in late 2021 or early 2022, he had visited the place he buried Autumn, which was right around their trailer park area. He was pleased to see that there was a modular home being built there. Once Jessica Freeman gave the story of what she claims happened, she led law enforcement to Autumn’s remains in late 2023.
That whole modular home had to be dismantled and removed. The driveway had to be dug up. But police did uncover a set of human remains.
They did take DNA from Autumn’s family. They compared it to the human remains. They were a match.
These remains did belong to 16-year-old Autumn McClure. Very, very sad.
Obviously Jessica says that her boyfriend Brian was strangling Autumn. But at this point, law enforcement is still working on figuring out what Autumn’s cause of death is. Obviously at this point it has been exactly 20 years, 2024 from 2004.
Her remains are all skeletonized. There may be the potential that they just never are able to confirm whether she was choked to death or not. It is very sad.
I still wonder about the boyfriend. I definitely wonder about Jessica. All the articles I read make it clear that Jessica Freeman was not a suspect, is not a suspect.
They do not think she had anything to do with Autumn’s death. That is fine. But allegedly, in my opinion, I do not know if she gave the full story.
If she did have something to do with it, if she played a bigger role, she is obviously not going to tell the police that. She is just going to tell them exactly what she needs to make it look like she really did not have any sort of influence or part in this. Her ex-boyfriend Brian is dead and Autumn is obviously dead.
Who is going to counter her claims?
Why did the boyfriend say he dropped Autumn off at the mall but then later admitted to police that he dropped her off at this bridge? That could have been because Autumn was running away from her grandmother’s house and staying with Jessica and Brian. The boyfriend did not want the grandmother to know where she was.
Or Autumn did not want the boyfriend to tell the police or the grandmother where she was. But after two years, they talked to him again in 2006. That is finally when he told them the truth.
After two years, and she is still missing, and she never comes home. You do not think to tell the police at some point, “Oh, actually I did not bring her to the mall. I brought her with these people.
You might want to check into them.” It just seems suspicious. It seems like there is more here that we do not know, and we probably never will.
I get where you are coming from. Maybe that is why he did not come forward. Not saying I am justifying it.
Let us say initially his reasoning for not telling police what he actually did was for her protection, thinking she was going to come home. Then now two years later he could come forward. But he might be under the assumption, which you are under, that if he comes forward two years later and gives a different version, could he be putting himself in a situation where law enforcement is going to be looking at him for a crime he did not commit?
I am just throwing it out there. That may not be the case.
It was two years later. Police went and talked to him again. You do not think you would wait like two weeks and be like, “Guys, sorry I did not mean to lie, but I just wanted…”
Do not you think two years is more suspicious than two weeks? I wish I had an answer for why people do what they do as far as when they cooperate, when they do not cooperate, their reasonings behind not cooperating. It would make our jobs as investigators a lot easier.
We are not only trying to put the facts together, but you also have to play psychologist and figure out why people do what they do. It makes things very interesting, to say the least.
Overall, as far as the case is concerned, I think we can pick apart this particular story as far as Freeman and her boyfriend. Now like you mentioned, Brian, if this is all true, if we are just to take it all at face value, he died in 2022. He is not going to answer for what he did if that is exactly what happened.
That sucks. But this does speak to a bigger story here about True Crime.
Even with Criminal Coffee, we obviously had the case that we just did, the Preble Penny case, or should I say Preble Peter, or Albert Frost more specifically. It you figure out the who, and then you can potentially figure out the how, and maybe if you are really lucky, the why. What I mean by that is if you are able to identify skeletal remains, whether it is a Jane Doe, John Doe, Baby Doe, whatever, then you can go back to the original story when that person went missing if that is the circumstances surrounding it.
You can reverse engineer what potentially happened and also discredit initial statements if it is done in a relatively reasonable amount of time.
It is interesting that we are covering this case this week. I am going through potential cases for Criminal Coffee, and the hurdle that I am running into is we just did a Jane Doe which turned out to be a John Doe case. I am working with a couple labs.
Personally, I would love to do a case where we have DNA that just needs to be run for a potential suspect and have Criminal Coffee make an arrest. But a lot of those cases are funded almost immediately, which is a good thing. So now I am looking at cases that are Jane Does, John Does, or Baby Does, but have an element to them where if it is a child, and I hate to say this, most children do not just go missing and die on their own by accident.
If the skeletal remains of a Baby Doe are there, there is more than likely a story behind it. I am starting to focus on those cases because if we can identify the child, then we can start to go into that case and figure out who was last seen with them, what were their stories at the time, and potentially discredit them. Go back and speak to them if it has not been so long.
Through having this new technology and the ability to do what we are doing now, we could potentially solve a murder. That is the angle we are going with now. Ten years ago we would not be having this conversation.
As far as this story is concerned, it is kind of sad because will we ever know the truth? I do not know. I feel like there is probably some truth in there.
Why people decided to do what they did, that is for you guys to judge and figure out what you think about it. I personally agree with you. I think Jessica should have came forward sooner.
I think the boyfriend should have. But again, why people do what they do, I have no clue. Overall, the bigger picture here is that although this is a sad case, what this says for True Crime is that having this new science, having this new technology, and the rapid ability to identify these individuals is a good thing.
It is going to give answers to a lot of families that deserve it.
Talking about Criminal Coffee and funding things, I honestly think that every police station that possibly can should have this rapid DNA machine thing. I just looked it up now. It is $250,000 for each machine and each sample can cost about $150.
However, based on when we were at Intermountain Forensics, remember how much some of those machines cost? Millions of dollars. It is a small price tag to pay for the police to be able to identify a suspect a lot faster.
It lessens the likelihood that people wanted for other crimes will be released. It lessens the likelihood that you are sending violent criminals back out onto the streets to victimize more people. That is worth it.
Obviously Criminal Coffee cannot buy every police station in the country a rapid DNA test machine because it is $250,000. But there should be some sort of fund set up for something like this to make sure that every police station or law enforcement or sheriff’s office has one. Not right away, but within the next 10 years or so, everyone should have one.
The benefits far outweigh the cost.
I agree with you. I am just going to bring it down to planet Earth for a second because I hate this but it is the truth. Just to give you a small sample size, I was a police officer in Rhode Island.
Rhode Island is the smallest state in the country. We have 39 municipalities. 39 times 250,000.
I can tell you for some departments like where I worked, shout out Central Falls, we are known nationally because we were one of the first cities to go bankrupt in the entire country during that time when everything was really bad. It made national news. The entire city went into bankruptcy and we had to have receivership come in and the courts had to take the city over.
$250,000, when I was in an administrative role, even if the technology would solve every crime in the country, it is one of those things where we were not getting stuff like that unless we got a grant from the government.
We should do that. Look at all the money, the tax money, we spend on extraneous stupid stuff. We need to be protecting our citizens.
This is a good way to do it. You are not going to get an argument from me. The spending we do from a national perspective is a different conversation for a different day.
In a perfect world, we would have it now. One option I would say is what you could do potentially in Rhode Island and in other states that are bigger, you would have to have more of them. You could have a situation where you get together with a few municipalities and you purchase one unit and you share that unit.
But that does become an issue because now you have to transport people who have been arrested to these locations. There are always security concerns with that. Also, when you arrest someone for a license or for a misdemeanor crime, you want to get them out of there as fast as possible.
Having them have to sit in a cell or be transported to multiple police stations for this process is very cumbersome and ties up that officer for the entire time. I am going into all the weeds here, the reality of what it is like. On the surface it is like get the machine.
Maybe we should make a law or try to get a bill passed. The government has to fund one of these machines at least in every 50 miles, a police station every 50 miles. That way if you do have to transport somebody, it is within driving distance.
50 miles is driving distance. That is like over an hour. Okay, 30 miles then.
Imagine how many arrests they are making a night. Listen, I am with you. I am glad we are having this conversation.
Maybe there should be processing stations every 50 miles. That is where you bring them to process them, fingerprint them, take their DNA. Then if anything pings, you can bring them to their respective jail.
If not, you can just let them go.
Let me throw this at you. This is a great conversation because these are things that people do not think about. There are three guys working a shift.
I am bringing my guy to the processing station. There is a shooting while I am 30 miles away or 20 miles away. There are only two guys on the road and someone is calling for help.
If I am in my local jurisdiction, I can throw that prisoner back in a cell and be at that call in under five minutes. Response time becomes an issue too because you have minimum manning. Some nights you may have two officers working.
If you are at a processing station, there may be one person on the road. It is crazy.
I have an idea for that. What if you have a specific police officer with a van who is tasked with transporting prisoners from the place they are arrested to the processing station? That lets the beat cops go back to doing their job.
They only need to call the transporter when they have to fill out the paperwork and stuff. This is getting designated specialized. No, that would not work at all.
Not even close. Just to counter that really simply, we are making five or six arrests on a shift at night. The transporter is on the road bringing one prisoner and I arrest another one.
They are going to turn around and come back or they are just going to keep going back and forth.
What about the person they are transporting? There can be little locked bus stations everywhere that you can put them and store them. Then just put the location so that the transporter can go and unlock the little Amazon Locker for criminals.
Yeah, exactly. For people who may have just… I am sure their constitutional rights would be violated by that.
Exactly. But this is how you change the world.
This is a great conversation because a lot of people who have never done it before think the same way. I have conversations with family and friends all the time like this, not about this particular subject but about this type of thing. Like why can’t they just do this, why can’t you just do that?
On the inside, we are saying it. I think police officers sometimes get so defeated because they are so close to the situation that they do not even bother trying to come up with other thoughts. It is just like I know everything I try to do is just going to get cut off at the knees.
I know we do not have the resources. I know we do not have the manpower. So you do not even start to let your brain think about potential solutions.
We put in for grants. That is all you can do. You have to try to get one in your city.
Remember when things were on a smaller scale and you just had to worry about one town? You could absolutely do something like this. But now everything is just so big and federally controlled.
Everything is just so out of control financially. In smaller departments, there were jurisdictions when there was community thing. Everybody would pitch in in the community.
Like yes, we do not want criminals to be wandering the streets. Let us get this DNA kit. Everybody would donate and help.
When you were on such a smaller scale, it was easier to do. Now we are all so spread out and so densely populated that everybody is just so isolated. They are not connected to their communities and they do not think about stuff like this.
It is just so much harder to solve a problem when it is already out of control.
I will even throw a bigger curveball at you. You are operating under the assumption that everyone would want this DNA machine. I can tell you right now that there would be a large portion in any jurisdiction where the people would say, “I do not want my DNA being uploaded to a database.
That is an invasion of my privacy. I do not even like the fact that they are taking my fingerprints for a suspended license or an unpaid warrant or something trivial, something minor.” A lot of people would say, “I do not want my tax dollars going to a machine that I feel is invasive and a violation of my privacy.”
You may not think that. You may be like, “That is crazy.” But are you going to tell me, based on the conversations we have had and the comments we get about certain things, that this is not going to be a thing?
I am talking on the level of the citizens themselves all the way up to the people in political positions that would argue this is an overreach by law enforcement. That is another whole layer that law enforcement is dealing with when trying to get these types of programs or machines or technologies brought into their police departments.
I think that should be at some point not really an option. Or it could be taken to a public vote. The people in the community are who you are protecting from these criminals that they could be releasing when they still are violent and they have committed violent offenses and you just did not catch them yet.
The community should vote. It really should not be this arbitrary decision that someone makes. The community should say, “Hey, do we want to be safer or no?
Vote yes or no. Circle one.”
This conversation we are having in a 30 minute window, imagine every single thing that you need. The technology. Every time you need something for the police department, it goes from the sergeant to the lieutenant to the captain to the major to the police chief, who then has to bring it over to the mayor’s office.
They have to put it in front of the city council. Then it has to get sent back. Then you can apply for the grant writer who can then write the grant for the federal government who has this grant for this specific technology or vehicle you are looking for.
There are 250 departments applying for it. Then you will get a partial grant. Now you only need half the money.
How do you raise that? What accounts are you pulling from? I feel like I am having a panic attack.
Do not talk about this stuff with me. I am an ideas person, not a money person.
It was a nightmare. I got the K9 unit brought back when I was a police officer. I wanted a K9 unit.
I actually did it for my thesis for my BS or my masters, I cannot remember. I did my thesis on it. It was a dual thing.
I wrote this up and I wrote it from the perspective of submitting it to the police chief. I kind of double dipped there. It worked out because I got my degree and I got the police K9 unit brought back.
It is still there. I am happy to say that after my departure. That was something that was a huge undertaking.
I had to reach out to community members and business leaders to try to raise the funds for a $12,000 dog. It was like a nightmare.
$12,000. But that is also a thing. I could not even get the $12,000.
We got a used dog. Shout out to Axel. He is no longer with us.
We got a dog that was with the Newport Police Department. The K9 handler could no longer take him, so we took him over. We got basically a dog that had already been in use.
How could you talk about Axel that way? Do not speak ill. Shout out to Axel.
He got it going. Rest in peace. That is another thing.
These companies inflate the price of things. It is for the training. I understand.
But $250,000 for this machine? Come on.
This is what Crime Weekly News is for. Speaking of dogs and speaking of machines, this is my little soapbox and I am going to get the veterinarians that are going to come after me. My dog just got injured at home.
We do not know how. His legs were a little limp and he is only two years old. Shout out to Vinny, my French Bulldog.
We bring him to the vet. He needs an MRI to identify what is going on with him. They think it could be a back injury.
$6,000. Let me start by saying should have had insurance. You are right.
I am wrong. We will go there. But then we are talking about it and they are saying the machine cost $350,000.
That is why it is so expensive for these scans. I have multiple issues with it. How long have you been paying for that machine?
How much of it is paid off? You are still charging the $6,000 even though it is probably paid off. More importantly, the fact that the machine was $350,000 to start with is just crazy.
Nothing is easy anymore. It is like college tuition. It cost a certain amount and then all of a sudden you could go to school for $5,000, $20,000, and all of a sudden you are in debt $500,000 for a college education that honestly, what did you learn?
Unless you are a doctor or a lawyer, what did you learn? It is just the capitalism, inflation, greediness. I do not think that machine should be $250,000.
I guarantee you it will come down. I guarantee you it did not cost anywhere close to that to make it. But what are you going to do?
That is the world we live in.
To bring it back, because I know we are being negative Nellies right now. On a positive note, the technology is available. It is out there.
As time progresses, it will become more prevalent and it will be reduced in price and will be more readily available to police departments throughout the country. Hopefully it leads to more stories like this in a quicker period of time. When a body is identified, they can go after the people responsible before they are deceased.
That would be the plan.
But obviously thinking of Autumn’s family, we are glad they have the answers. At least they know where she is and that she is no longer with us. They have that.
Even though there may not be a conviction, I feel like the family is now… Well, there is no conviction at this point. This girl got immunity.
Even if she was involved, the deal is done. But at least they have a pretty good idea of what happened. They might have had their own speculations as far as what occurred.
Now this could put some of those to rest. Maybe the boyfriend is involved, maybe he is not. There are all these questions that can now be answered that help give a little bit more peace to the family.
It will never give them full closure. I have said it before. For me as a parent, the unknown would be worse than the knowing.
Just not knowing if they are still out there or if they could be found. Am I not doing enough? I hope that this brings them some type of, I do not know, just some semblance of, hey, listen, this is where we are.
Thinking of them.
Any final words before we wrap this thing up? No, I am all good. We appreciate you guys being here.
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